No Theocrats Here...Just Move Along...

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Lalita Amos | 04/13/2008 - 00:09 |  I Know It When I See It

You point out that us "outsiders (I assume, erroneously) would describe (theonomics) as part of the Religious Right." However, I'm sure you'll agree: there aren't a whole lot of progressives trying to take anybody's rights away. The leaders of the RR have set themselves up to be arbiters of what personal morality is and, by extension, how that personal morality gets foisted off on everybody else.

Much in the same way that the LDS church remains staunchly silent as group after group is found in enclaves, raping and impregnating children, the Religious Right remains mum on the actions of its "fringe affiliates," like the thenomists.

Still, one doesn't have to go far to find folks like Mike Huckabee who, while still a bright, shiny candidate, proclaimed to all who would listen that...

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

Change the Constitution, eh? Like how, exactly? I'm particularly worried about this, given the fact that having, essentially, a religious Constitution hasn't worked out so well for the Islamic states (or for their neighbors...or the planet). Oh, and there's that matter of the FLDS cult (which also referred to peoples as "outsiders") who believes that fucking children has anything to do with god, making them uber spiritual or holy or better.

Seems the first step towards lunacy is to pretend that the Constitution is somehow flawed because it--what?--isn't decorated with crucifixes? Then, insert your religion and make sure that those who don't agree have few options (starting with underage, brainwashed girls seems to do the trick). Use of force as necessary also seems to apply here.

Sheesh! Disowning these groups, which grow out of a central movement such as the LDS Church or the Religious Right seems (looking for the right word here) cowardly.

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Lalita Amos | 04/12/2008 - 13:31 |  Small Wonder

Small wonder this came from Texas, the hotbed of tolerance--religious or otherwise.

Those muslims who want islamic rule would seek to have Christian and Jewish religious adherents provided some freedoms to religion practice their religion, subject to certain conditions of course, and to have some small token of automony within their enclaves.

Mighty right of them.

Those, the dhimmi, would pay a protection fee to provide them with, well, protection. Those who were not Christian or Jew or practiced those religions in ways the clerics didn't condone? They could face expulsion or even murder: (from the Yusif Ali version) "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Charming.

The people over at Dhimmi Watch have been noting for years the shift towards greater multicultural tolerance of islamic traditions that fly in the face of western society (allowing men with multiple wives entry into England and paying social benefits for these widely divergent families though only one member of the household may have been paying into the system for up to five adults plus their children or prohibiting workers to eat in front of fasting Muslims for instance).

Religion and world domination--this isn't the first time we've heard that old refrain. However, right-wing Christianity has been able to mask its intent as they worked to gain traction through the Reagan Revolution. 

That theses religions are clear that they want dominion over everyone and not just their adherents is the source of the problem. That we're just now seeing the naked face of it after all these years is ours.

This from noted atheist, comedian and commentator, Pat Condell:

 

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Eric Schansberg | 04/12/2008 - 13:20 |  theonomists are a (small) subset of RR'ers

North is a "theonomist"-- a very small subset of those who outsiders would describe as part of the Religious Right. Few RR'ers have even heard of them-- and those who have are typically allergic to them. (I've made Christian editors/publishers nervous just quoting them within my arguments.)

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